John raises his face while Mary collapses in front of him. Her head falls towards the left, her body bends forward, and one hand rests against the folds of her clothing. Behind her, John's upright figure provides both physical support and a different direction of attention. Their closely joined bodies make an intense image of grief without showing the cross itself.
This drawing was once published under Hieronymus Bosch's name. Dresden's Kupferstich-Kabinett currently identifies it as an anonymous work, possibly Netherlandish, of about 1440. The museum calls it Die trauernde Maria und Johannes, or The Mourning Mary and John, and records it as inventory C 815.[1] Its historical Bosch attribution belongs to the drawing's reception rather than its present classification.
At a Glance
- Current titleDie trauernde Maria und Johannes (recto)
- English descriptionThe Mourning Mary and John
- Current makerUnknown, possibly Netherlandish
- Current dateAbout 1440
- Current mediumBrush in grey and black
- Dimensions303 × 173 mm, rounded at the top
- CollectionKupferstich-Kabinett, Staatliche Kunstsammlungen Dresden
- InventoryC 815
- Historical associationPublished as Bosch in Karl Woermann's 1897 catalogue
Compare these works across Bosch’s career
These date ranges are estimates, not a documented year-by-year sequence. These works provide context for the article; none is highlighted as the object discussed here.
Saint Jerome at Prayer
Circa 1485–1495 [2]Crucifixion with a Donor
Circa 1490–1500 (BRCP) [2]Hermit Saints Triptych
Circa 1495–1505 [2]Saint Liberata Triptych
Circa 1495–1505 [2]The Hearing Forest and the Seeing Field
Circa 1500–1505 (Berlin exhibition) [3]The Haywain Triptych
1510–1516 (BRCP) [2]Contents
Annotated Details from Mary and John: The Dresden Drawing
Dresden identifies this drawing as an anonymous work, possibly Netherlandish, of about 1440. Its former Bosch attribution is examined in the article.
Details from MARY AND JOHN: THE DRESDEN DRAWING
The two details follow the opposing directions of the heads and the long folds beneath them.
Image and detail crops: Wikimedia Commons source 1 (public domain reproductions).
Two Figures Moving in Different Directions
John occupies the upper part of the composition. His head tilts back, exposing the neck and directing the eyes towards the upper right. Curls descend beside his face and spread onto the shoulders. A circular fastening gathers his outer garment across the chest, making a small point of emphasis beneath the uplifted head.
Mary's head moves in the opposite direction. It bends down and towards the left, enclosed by a head covering that makes its angle especially clear. The lines of the brow, eyes and mouth repeat that downward movement on a smaller scale. Her face sits low against John's upper body, making the difference between their postures immediately legible.
The two figures overlap so closely that the viewer must follow the clothing to distinguish them. John's darker outer contour continues behind Mary on the right. In front, her mantle broadens around the bent torso and descends into a mass of folds. His body remains the more upright support, while hers gives the group its forward inclination.
The contact around Mary's head is the centre of the action. In his historical description, Woermann emphasised that John holds her head with both hands.[4] The gesture joins care to grief: he supports the person in front of him while looking beyond her. His lifted gaze and her lowered face therefore express different responses within one closely connected group.
A Cross outside the Image
The older title places Mary and John beneath the cross. Yet neither Christ nor the cross appears on the surviving recto. Woermann explicitly noted that absence in 1897.[4] The subject is conveyed through the two mourners and John's upward look, rather than through a complete account of the Crucifixion.
This omission concentrates the image. There are no soldiers, distant buildings or additional spectators competing for attention. The broad empty passages around the heads leave the viewer close to the figures. What matters visually is the relation between the face looking up and the face falling down.
John's gaze implies something beyond the visible boundary, but it does not establish the drawing's original function. The sheet cannot be assigned to a specific altarpiece or reconstructed larger composition from that direction alone. A subject can be recognisable even when its intended destination remains unknown.
The rounded top reinforces the compact enclosure of the group. John's head rises beneath the curve, and the shoulders fill the narrowing upper field. Farther down, the garments spread into a wider, heavier base. That relation between the arched boundary and the bodies is visible without assuming that the paper was designed for a particular architectural opening.
Drapery and the Weight of Grief
Cloth gives the bent figure much of her apparent weight. Long folds descend from Mary's shoulder and turn across her body before opening towards the lower edge. Some form broad, pale bands; others narrow into dark creases. Their changes of direction make the body feel folded into its garment rather than simply outlined beneath it.
At the left, a large hanging passage of fabric opens away from the central mass. Its lighter interior contrasts with the darker area immediately beside Mary's head. The projecting corner and curved lower fold create a small outward movement, balancing the much larger sweep of the mantle on the right.
Near the lower centre, angular edges interrupt the longer curves. Fold follows fold towards the feet, with dark recesses separating overlapping planes. These changes prevent the lower half from becoming an undifferentiated dark shape. The eye can move through the fabric even where the body's exact position is partly concealed.
Mary's visible hand introduces a different rhythm. Its extended fingers cross a passage of cloth near the centre, creating a recognisable human gesture amid the longer garment lines. Compared with the abundant folds, the hand is small. Its position nevertheless helps locate the bent torso and gives the figure a more immediate physical vulnerability.
John's clothing is more compact above her. The fastening at his chest draws folds into a concentrated point, while the sleeve and shoulder broaden towards the right. Around his face, the repeated curls contrast with the longer, more directional marks in the garments. Different kinds of line distinguish hair, exposed skin and cloth.
Marks and the Surviving Sheet
The current museum describes the technique as brush in grey and black.[1] Dark accents reinforce contours and recesses, while lighter intervals leave the paper active within the figures. The distinction between the most emphatic boundaries and the finer interior marks is especially apparent around Mary's mantle.
The old catalogue instead called the work a pen drawing and recorded measurements of 302 by 172 millimetres.[4] Those descriptions should be identified as historical. Dresden's current dimensions are 303 by 173 millimetres, and its current technique field names the brush. The difference does not provide evidence that these are two separate objects: the rounded format and exact composition agree.
There are also visible marks in the open ground around the group. They need not all be interpreted as an intended landscape or setting. The present reproduction does not establish the origin of every faint line, crease or change in tone. The substantial forms of the figures remain clearer evidence than an elaborate scene imagined from those interruptions.
A Name Already Questioned in 1897
An inscription at the lower left gives a version of Bosch's name. Woermann's catalogue transcribes it and explicitly judges it inauthentic, explaining that it belongs to a later period.[4] The presence of that name should therefore not be presented as an accepted artist's signature.
The catalogue nevertheless leaves room for Bosch's authorship. Woermann suggests that the later inscription might preserve a sound earlier tradition and reports that connoisseurs, including L. Scheibler, considered Bosch possible.[4] His position separates two questions: whether the writing is original, and whether the drawing might still be by the artist it names.
That distinction makes the historical entry particularly revealing. An inauthentic inscription did not automatically settle the attribution for its author. At the same time, his suggestion of a reliable tradition is an interpretation, rather than a surviving document establishing who made the drawing. It cannot be promoted into a secure account of the sheet's origin.
The same entry records acquisition before 1764 and describes a fragment of a standing holy figure on the reverse, which Woermann assigned to the same hand.[4] These are statements from the dated catalogue. The reverse is not reproduced in its plate II, so the historical description should remain separate from direct visual analysis of the mourners on the front.
The Current Anonymous Attribution
Dresden now places the work around 1440 and qualifies its Netherlandish origin with a question mark.[1] That classification provides neither a named replacement artist nor a documented Bosch workshop connection. The early date also makes a straightforward Bosch attribution untenable within the museum's present account.
The short online record does not explain every stage between the nineteenth-century opinion and the current classification. It is possible to establish the difference between those two records without inventing an intermediate reassessment, an exact date for removing Bosch's name or a technical test that the museum has not reported.
The drawing's force survives the change of label. John's lifted face, Mary's falling head and the heavy convergence of drapery organise an image around two bodies supporting and responding to one another. Its present interest rests in that concentrated representation of mourning, alongside the documented history of a Bosch attribution that the current museum no longer adopts.
Artworks and related attributions
Browse paintings, drawings and related attributions. Records group triptychs, fragments and two-sided sheets where appropriate. Dates follow the cited museum records or catalogue headings and are generally estimates. Rows marked “2016 catalogue” report that publication’s attribution and collection information; these are dated opinions, rather than a claim that every work is an accepted autograph Bosch.
| Name | Date | Medium, attribution and collection |
|---|---|---|
| A Crossbowman | Second half of the sixteenth century | Oil on oak panel · Copy after Hieronymus Bosch · Museo Nacional del Prado, Madrid · P002695 Source 1. Source 2. |
| A Woman Spinning and an Old Woman | Museum estimates: about 1480–1490 for the women and 1500–1505 for the reverse; the precise chronology is disputed | Pen and brown and grey ink on the front; pen and brown ink on the reverse · Hieronymus Bosch · Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen, Rotterdam · N 190 recto and verso (PK) Source 1. Source 2. |
| Adoration of the Child in Cologne | Second half of the sixteenth century | Oil on oak panel · Imitator of Hieronymus Bosch, in the city collection record · Wallraf-Richartz-Museum & Fondation Corboud, Cologne · WRM 0474 Source 1. Source 2. |
| Adoration of the Magi in Philadelphia | Early sixteenth century in the museum record; around 1495–1520 in the BRCP catalogue | Oil on oak panel · Hieronymus Bosch in the museum record; workshop of Bosch in the 2016 BRCP catalogue · Philadelphia Museum of Art, John G. Johnson Collection, 1917 · 1321; museum object 103592 Source 1. Source 2. |
| Adoration of the Magi — New York | c.1470–1480 | 2016 catalogue: Bosch; oil on oak · Metropolitan Museum 13.26 2016 catalogue. |
| Adoration of the Magi — Prado triptych | c.1494 | Oil on oak; grisaille exterior · Bosch · Prado P002048 Object source. |
| Adoration of the Magi — three associated fragments | c.1515–1535 | 2016 catalogue: Follower of Bosch · Two Shepherds / Retinue in Philadelphia; associated Adoration in private collection in 2016 2016 catalogue. |
| Ascent of the Blessed — Venice | c.1505–1515 | Oil on panel · Bosch · Gallerie dell’Accademia; Visions of the Hereafter Object source. |
| Battle of the Birds and Mammals | Not specified in catalogue heading | 2016 catalogue: Bosch; pen and brown ink · Berlin KdZ 14715 2016 catalogue. |
| Beggars and Musicians | Around 1530–1540 | Ink and wash on paper · Unknown follower of Hieronymus Bosch · Albertina, Vienna · 7798 Source 1. Source 2. |
| Christ Carrying the Cross Drawing | Around 1470 in the museum catalogue | Black chalk or charcoal, pen and brush in brown ink, white corrections · Anonymous, workshop of Rogier van der Weyden · Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen, Rotterdam · N 81 recto and verso (PK) Source 1. Source 2. |
| Christ Carrying the Cross in Vienna | Around 1490–1510 in the current KHM record and BRCP catalogue | Oil on oak, painted on both sides · Hieronymus Bosch; possible workshop involvement in the Passion side discussed by the BRCP · Kunsthistorisches Museum, Vienna · Gemäldegalerie, GG 6429 Source 1. Source 2. |
| Christ Carrying the Cross — El Escorial | c.1495–1505 | 2016 catalogue: Bosch; oil on oak · Patrimonio Nacional 10014739 2016 catalogue. |
| Christ Carrying the Cross — Ghent | c.1510–1516 (museum) | Oil on panel · Bosch in museum listing; authorship disputed · MSK Ghent 1902-H Object source. |
| Christ Mocked — London | c.1510 | Oil on wood · Bosch · National Gallery NG4744 Object source. |
| Concert in the Egg, After Hieronymus Bosch | Around 1561; third quarter of the sixteenth century | Oil on canvas · Anonymous, after Hieronymus Bosch · Palais des Beaux-Arts, Lille · P 816 Source 1. Source 2. |
| Conjurer / Comical Concert — Louvre drawing | Not specified in catalogue heading | 2016 catalogue: Bosch (recto), follower (concert verso) · Pen and brown ink · Louvre INV 19197 2016 catalogue. |
| Conjurer / Cross-bearing and beggars — Liège sheet | Not specified in catalogue heading | 2016 catalogue: Bosch (verso), follower (recto) · Pen and brown ink · Album d’Arenberg 534 2016 catalogue. |
| Crowning with Thorns — El Escorial | c.1530–1540 | 2016 catalogue: Follower of Bosch; oil on oak · Patrimonio Nacional 10014743 2016 catalogue. |
| Crucifixion with a Donor | Circa 1495–1505; Circa 1490–1500 | Oil on oak panel · Hieronymus Bosch · Royal Museums of Fine Arts of Belgium, Brussels · 6639 Source 1. Source 2. |
| Death and the Miser Drawing | Not securely established; probably made after the painting | Pen and brush, dark ink and white highlights on prepared paper · Workshop of Hieronymus Bosch in the BRCP catalogue; alternatives recorded by the Louvre · Musée du Louvre, Department of Prints and Drawings, Paris · RF 6947, Recto Source 1. Source 2. |
| Death and the Miser — Washington | c.1485/1490 (NGA) | Oil on panel · Bosch · National Gallery of Art 1952.5.33 Object source. |
| Ecce Homo Triptych — Boston | c.1495–1500; wings c.1500/1503 | 2016 catalogue: Workshop of Bosch; oil on oak · Museum of Fine Arts Boston; several production phases 2016 catalogue. |
| Ecce Homo — Frankfurt | c.1490 | Mixed technique on oak · Bosch · Städel 1577 Object source. |
| Fall of the Damned — Venice | c.1505–1515 | 2016 catalogue: Bosch; oil on panel · Visions of the Hereafter · Venice 2016 catalogue. |
| Garden of Earthly Delights | 1490–1500 (Prado) | Oil on oak; grisaille exterior · Bosch · Prado; triptych Object source. |
| Gluttony and Lust / Allegory of Intemperance — Yale fragment | c.1500–1510 (group dating) | 2016 catalogue: Bosch; oil on oak · Yale 1959.15.22; fragment associated with Ship of Fools 2016 catalogue. |
| Group of Ten Spectators, a Follower of Bosch | Around 1510–1540 in the current museum record | Pen and two brown inks on paper, with a brown framing line · Follower of Hieronymus Bosch in the Morgan record; Bosch in the BRCP catalogue · Morgan Library & Museum, New York · I, 112 Source 1. Source 2. |
| Head of an Old Woman | About 1500 | Oil on panel · Attributed to Jacob Cornelisz. van Oostsanen · Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen, Rotterdam · 2439 (OK) Source 1. Source 2. |
| Hell and the Flood — Rotterdam panels | Around 1515 in the museum records; around 1510–1520 in the BRCP catalogue | Oil on oak panels · Jheronimus Bosch in the museum records; workshop of Bosch in the BRCP catalogue · Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen, Rotterdam Source 1. Source 2. |
| Hermit Saints Triptych | Circa 1495–1505 | Oil on oak panels · Hieronymus Bosch · Gallerie dell’Accademia, Venice · 2044 Source 1. Source 2. |
| Infernal Landscape | Not specified in catalogue heading | 2016 catalogue: Bosch; pen and brown ink, red accent · Private collection in 2016 2016 catalogue. |
| Infernal Scene with Anvil / Monster Studies | Not specified in catalogue heading | 2016 catalogue: Bosch; attribution debated in entry · Pen and brown ink · Berlin KdZ 548 2016 catalogue. |
| Infernal Scene with Tree-Man / Standing Man | Not specified in catalogue heading | 2016 catalogue: Workshop of Bosch; pen and brown ink · Dresden C 1875; historical reverse title includes a proposed prophet 2016 catalogue. |
| Job Triptych — Bruges | c.1510–1520 | 2016 catalogue: Workshop of Bosch; oil on oak · Groeningemuseum / Hoeke loan in 2016 2016 catalogue. |
| Last Judgement — Bruges triptych | c.1495–1505 | 2016 catalogue: Bosch; oil on oak · Groeningemuseum 2016 catalogue. |
| Last Judgement — Munich fragment | c.1530–1540 | 2016 catalogue: Follower of Bosch; oil on oak · Alte Pinakothek 5752 2016 catalogue. |
| Last Judgement — Vienna triptych | c.1500–1505 (BRCP 2016) | Oil on oak · Bosch and workshop (BRCP 2016) · Academy of Fine Arts Vienna 2016 catalogue. |
| Man in a Basket and Comic Figures | Around 1500–1515 in the museum record | Pen and brown ink on paper; the reverse is catalogued as iron-gall ink · Hieronymus Bosch in the current Albertina record; attribution has been debated · Albertina, Vienna · 7797 recto and verso Source 1. Source 2. |
| Man Seen from Behind | About 1550–1569; About 1565–1570 | Traces of black chalk, pen and brush in light brown ink · Anonymous, circle of Pieter Bruegel the Elder · Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen, Rotterdam Source 1. Source 2. |
| Mary and John at the Foot of the Cross | About 1440 | Brush in grey and black · Unknown, possibly Netherlandish · Kupferstich-Kabinett, Staatliche Kunstsammlungen Dresden · C 815 Source 1. Source 2. |
| Model Sheet with ‘Witches’ | Disputed; proposals depend on the attribution | Pen and brown ink; the BRCP also records underlying black chalk · Hieronymus Bosch; follower attributions also recorded · Musée du Louvre, Département des Arts graphiques, Paris · INV 19721 recto Source 1. Source 2. |
| Peasant and Three Bust-Length Figures | 1401–1500 | Brown pen over a black preliminary drawing · Attributed to the Master of the Drapery Studies; Bosch circle also recorded · Kupferstichkabinett, Staatliche Museen zu Berlin · KdZ 777 Source 1. Source 2. |
| River to Hell — Venice | c.1505–1515 | 2016 catalogue: Bosch; oil on panel · Visions of the Hereafter · Venice 2016 catalogue. |
| Saint Anthony and a Concert in an Egg | Around 1510–1525 in the museum’s 2016–17 exhibition texts | Pen in light and dark brown inks · Workshop of Hieronymus Bosch; underlying monsters: Bosch (BRCP), possibly Bosch (exhibition text) · Kupferstichkabinett, Staatliche Museen zu Berlin · KdZ 711 recto and verso Source 1. Source 2. |
| Saint Christopher Carrying the Christ Child | c.1500; 1490–1505 in restoration material | Oil on panel · Bosch · Boijmans St 26 Object source. |
| Saint James and Hermogenes | About 1551–1575 in the KIK-IRPA catalogue | Oil on wood, painted on both sides · Anonymous follower of Hieronymus Bosch · Musée des Beaux-Arts, Valenciennes · P.46.1.44; older number 176 Source 1. Source 2. |
| Saint Jerome at Prayer | Circa 1485–1495 | Oil on oak panel · Hieronymus Bosch · Museum of Fine Arts, Ghent · 1908-H Source 1. Source 2. |
| Saint John on Patmos / Passion Scenes | c.1495–1505; estimates vary | Oil on oak · Bosch · Gemäldegalerie Berlin 1647A Object source. |
| Saint John the Baptist in Meditation | Late 15th century; c.1485–1510 (Prado exhibition) | Oil on panel · Bosch · Lázaro Galdiano 8155 Object source. |
| Saint Liberata Triptych | Circa 1495–1505 | Oil on oak panels · Hieronymus Bosch · Gallerie dell’Accademia, Venice · 2045 Source 1. Source 2. |
| Seven Deadly Sins and the Four Last Things | 1505–1510 (Prado) | Oil on poplar · Bosch (Prado); workshop/follower disputed · Prado Object source. |
| Ship of Fools — Louvre painting | 1475–1500 (record); c.1505–1515 (exhibition) | Oil on oak · Bosch · Louvre RF 2218; fragment Object source. |
| Ship of Fools — Louvre workshop drawing | Not specified in catalogue heading | 2016 catalogue: Workshop of Bosch · Pen, brush, grey-brown ink and white highlights on prepared paper · Louvre RF 3714 2016 catalogue. |
| Studies of Monsters | About 1530–1550, according to the current Ashmolean record | Pen and brown ink on laid paper, both faces · Anonymous follower of Hieronymus Bosch · Ashmolean Museum, University of Oxford · WA1863.155 Source 1. Source 2. |
| Studies of Saint Anthony and Monsters | No execution date specified in the current Louvre records | Pen and brown ink on paper · Bosch listed; reverse questioned by Louvre; BRCP accepts both faces · Musée du Louvre, Département des Arts graphiques, Paris · INV 20871 recto and verso Source 1. Source 2. |
| Temptation of Saint Anthony — Kansas City fragment | c.1500–1510 | 2016 catalogue: Bosch; oil on oak · Nelson-Atkins 35–22 2016 catalogue. |
| Temptation of Saint Anthony — Lisbon triptych | c.1500 | Oil on oak · Bosch · Museu Nacional de Arte Antiga 1498 Pint Museum. |
| Temptation of Saint Anthony — Prado panel | c.1530–1540 | 2016 catalogue: Follower of Bosch (2016 opinion); oil on oak · Prado P002049 2016 catalogue. |
| Terrestrial Paradise | Approximately 1505–1515 | Oil on oak panel · Hieronymus Bosch · Gallerie dell'Accademia, Venice Source 1. Source 2. |
| The Burning Ship Drawing | 1500–1520 | Pen and iron gall ink on paper · Attributed to Hieronymus Bosch · Academy of Fine Arts Vienna, Graphic Collection · HZ-2554; numbered 2554 in the BRCP catalogue Source 1. Source 2. |
| The Comical Barber Scene | About 1550–1580, according to the British Museum | Pen and brown ink, grey and brown wash, over black chalk · Anonymous follower, after Hieronymus Bosch · British Museum, Department of Prints and Drawings, London · 1854,0628.46 Source 1. Source 2. |
| The Conjuror, After Hieronymus Bosch | Probably after 1525; around 1530–1540 in the BRCP technical report | Oil on oak panel · Anonymous follower of Hieronymus Bosch · Musée Ducastel-Vera, Saint-Germain-en-Laye · 872.1.87 Source 1. Source 2. |
| The Cure of Folly / Extraction of the Stone of Madness | 1501–1505 (Prado) | Oil on oak · Bosch (Prado); workshop/follower disputed · Prado P002056 Object source. |
| The Entombment Drawing | About 1505–1515, current museum record | Brush and black and grey ink, with grey wash, over black chalk · Workshop of Hieronymus Bosch; drawn by the Master of the Prado Haywain Triptych; Hieronymus Bosch, argued by the BRCP in 2016 · British Museum, Department of Prints and Drawings, London · 1952,0405.9 Source 1. Source 2. |
| The Gathering of the Birds | Not specified in catalogue heading | 2016 catalogue: Bosch; pen and brown ink · Berlin KdZ 13136 2016 catalogue. |
| The Haywain — Prado triptych | 1510–1516 (BRCP 2016) | Oil on oak · Bosch (BRCP 2016) · Prado; separate Escorial version exists 2016 catalogue. |
| The Hearing Forest and the Seeing Field | Circa 1500–1505 | Pen and brown ink on paper · Hieronymus Bosch; reverse: Bosch and workshop · Kupferstichkabinett, Staatliche Museen zu Berlin · KdZ 549, front and reverse Source 1. Source 2. |
| The Owl’s Nest — Rotterdam | Not specified in catalogue heading | 2016 catalogue: Bosch; pen and brown ink · Boijmans N 175 2016 catalogue. |
| The Passion Triptych in Valencia | Workshop of Bosch, about 1510–1520; Follower of Bosch; centre about 1530–1540, wings about 1540–1550 | Oil and gold on oak panels · Workshop of Bosch, about 1510–1520; Follower of Bosch; centre about 1530–1540, wings about 1540–1550 · Museu de Belles Arts de València Source 1. Source 2. |
| The Pedlar / Wayfarer — Rotterdam | c.1500 (museum) | Oil on panel · Bosch · Boijmans 1079 (OK); rejoined exterior Object source. |
| The Tree-Man — Vienna drawing | c.1505 | Pen and brown ink · Bosch · Albertina, Vienna Object source. |
| The Wedding at Cana, After Hieronymus Bosch | Approximately 1560 in the current museum record | Oil on panel, 93 cm high × 72 cm wide · Anonymous, after Hieronymus Bosch · Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen, Rotterdam, St 25 Source 1. Source 2. |
| Two Fantastical Creatures — Berlin KdZ 550 | Around 1505–1515 in the museum’s 2016 exhibition text | Pen in brown ink on reddish prepared laid paper · Hieronymus Bosch · Kupferstichkabinett, Staatliche Museen zu Berlin · KdZ 550, recto and verso Source 1. Source 2. |
| Two Figures Wearing Mitres | About 1480 | Oil on panel · Anonymous (Boijmans); Bosch circle (RKD) · Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen, Rotterdam · 1177 (OK) Source 1. Source 2. |
| Two Men and the Temptation of Eve | About 1505–1515 in the Prado’s 2016 exhibition guide | Pen and grey-brown ink on paper · Hieronymus Bosch in the 2016 catalogues discussed here · Private collection, as recorded in 2016 Source 1. Source 2. |
| Two Men Fighting | Not specified in the current Louvre record | Pen and brown ink · In the manner of Hieronymus Bosch · Musée du Louvre, Département des Arts graphiques, Paris · INV 20660 recto; formerly NIII 8896 and MA 8400 Source 1. Source 2. |
| Two Men — Berlin KdZ 5210 | Not specified in catalogue heading | 2016 catalogue: Bosch questioned · Pen, brush, ink, chalk and white highlights · Berlin KdZ 5210; historical title Two Oriental Men 2016 catalogue. |
| Two Monsters — Berlin KdZ 547 | Approximately 1500–1510 in Berlin's 2016 exhibition catalogue; an estimated range | Pen and brown ink on paper · Hieronymus Bosch · Kupferstichkabinett, Staatliche Museen zu Berlin · KdZ 547, drawn on both sides Source 1. Source 2. |
Frequently Asked Questions
Dresden currently catalogues C 815 as anonymous, possibly Netherlandish, about 1440. It does not currently give Bosch or his workshop as maker.[1]
No. The composition shows the two mourners, with John looking upward. The 1897 catalogue explicitly noted that the cross was not depicted.[4]
No. Woermann’s 1897 catalogue already described it as a later, inauthentic inscription, although it still considered Bosch’s authorship possible.[4]
Discussion
Follow the opposing head angles and the drapery that joins the two bodies.
Reader Insights
Compare John’s raised face with Mary’s falling head. How do the directions interact?
Which fold most clearly conveys the weight of Mary’s bent body?
How does the absent cross concentrate attention on the two mourners?
Join the Conversation
Share a detail, comparison or question about Mary and John at the Foot of the Cross: The Dresden Drawing below.
References
- Staatliche Kunstsammlungen Dresden: Die trauernde Maria und Johannes (recto), C 815, current anonymous attribution, date, technique and dimensions View source.
- BRCP Catalogue Raisonné (2016), object dates in catalogues 1, 2, 8, 15 and 20; catalogue 20 object metadata only for the Haywain comparison. View source
- Staatliche Museen zu Berlin, 2016 exhibition wall texts, p. 3: approximate date of KdZ 549. View source
- Karl Woermann, Handzeichnungen alter Meister im königlichen Kupferstichkabinet zu Dresden, fourth portfolio (1897), p. 37, no. 114; reproduced in plate II View source.
- Splash image, Unknown artist, possibly Netherlandish, The Mourning Mary and John (recto), about 1440. Brush in grey and black, 303 × 173 mm, rounded at the top. Kupferstich-Kabinett, Staatliche Kunstsammlungen Dresden, C 815. Formerly published as Bosch. View source.


